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kreteni! Evil or Very Mad
mislim na sva njihova "popravljanja" pravila!
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..ma ja još ne vjerujem. Nema combat damage stepa, defending player praktički dijeli combat damage.. Mislim da je prilicno sigurno za reci: MAGIC JE PROPAO.

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smrc, ode peterostruki lifelink
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Jedino logično nakon ovog je da će napraviti i Magic Anime crtić jer očito sad sve bacaju na to da klinci što lakše se uvuku.
Obično ne vičem "OMG MAGIC JE PROPAO" i većina ovih promjena me ne bi smetala (sve osim combata), ali mijenjanje nekih esencijalnih pravila tako da bi se favorizirali slabiji igrači mi ne ide u glavu.
Anyways, bumo videli kak će sve to izgledat.
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isusa ti krista nisu normalni Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

5) Combat Damage No Longer Uses the Stack


The Reality: The intricate system via which combat is
currently handled creates many unintuitive gameplay moments. For
starters, "the stack" is a difficult concept, even after all these
years, so it is no wonder that many players go about combat without
invoking it at all. Second, creatures disappearing after damage has
been put on the stack leads to a ton of confusion and disbelief: How is
that Mogg Fanatic killing two creatures? How did that creature kill mine but
make your Nantuko Husk big enough to survive? How can you Unsummon
your creature and have it still deal damage? While many of us may be
used to the way things are now, it makes no sense in terms of a game
metaphor and only a bit more sense as a rule.
The Fix: As soon as damage is assigned in the combat
damage step, it is dealt. There is no time to cast spells and activate
abilities in between; the last time to do so prior to damage being
dealt is during the declare blockers step.





ne mogu vjerovat ..... jednostavno ne mogu vjerovat
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Kaj nisu kao trebali imat land type island/swamp etc?
I onak da, uništite fanatika, nije problem.. -.-
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Iskreno, prejadno, bas me zanima glas zajednice ovaj put.

Tolko od ikakvog mog oblika kartanja na turnirima, tj. nema više ni potencijala za orgnizaciju, ovo je smješno i debilno.
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ovo je totalno zasralo stvar. ono, čitam članak i mislim si, a di su sad sve one fore sa fanaticom, kako ću sad nabijat mana burn ljudima u facu i zašto bi ja morao biti popustljiv prema slabijim igračima koji ne znaju sva pravila? jedna od glavnih stvari je bila zeznit čovika na foru s damageom na stacku itd.

ajme meni, nije mi dobro...
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Oke, nema mana burna, jebeeeeeeeenoo.
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pa je jebeeenooooooooo! kako ćeš srati ljudima da su 2 ili 3 lifa niže neg što jesu, ako se više ne mogu mana burnati?!
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Ja mogu srat uvijek.
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Well, žele napraviti igru za poluretardirane amerikance, ovo do sad im je bilo prekompleksno.. još malo pa će ukinuti sve osim kreatura sa static abilityima i basic landova.
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najjači dio je na kraju

I realize that some of these decisions will cause concern for our
loyal and enfranchised players. History alone indicates that will be
the case; there was a great deal of negativity from some quarters in
response to the Sixth Edition changes ten years ago. Players
decried that the end was nigh and the game would never recover. But
most of us calmed down and learned the changes, and now they're second
nature to us. I anticipate this batch of changes to go no differently.
I am prepared to defend all of these decisions and can say with a
straight face, a clear conscience, and months of firsthand experience
that Magic will be improved as a result of them.
I hope you'll agree, and here's to not doing this again for another decade.

najbolesnije je to što se sjećam vremena 6-te edicije i što je njegov opis 100% točan .. ljudi su srali i na kraju prihvatili sve promjene ....

stvarno ne znam što reći na sve ovo!?! hoće li i ovaj puta biti isto tako!?! ... ali da sam totalno zbunjen ... jesam ... i da su mi promjene čudne ... jesu ... i da ...ma ne znam ....

MADŽIK propadaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Smile
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Citat :
the stack" is a difficult concept, even after all these years

Usrani retardirani Amerikanci !

Očito će se sad Magic igrat po principu naučim-igru-u-2-minute. Nisam imao dojam da im ide tako loše sa zaradom pa da je potrebno ovakvo masovno pojednostavljivanje. Jednostavnije = manje komplexno = površna igra = brzo dosadi = Magic je stvarno propao.

Stvarno ne zaslužuju da im se takav proizvod toliko voli i igra.
Neka ciljana populacija (djeca od 7-14 godina) uživaju u igri kad kupe starter ta 2-3 tjedna prije nego im dosai pa bace karte.

A ko da nije dosta da su im edicije iz godine u godinu sve gore i goe, sve bezidejnije i neoriginalne, sve manje igrive, šta je cijeli aspekt Magica usredotočen da se izdaje nova edicija 2-3 tjedna prije najvećih turnira. Magic sucks!


Zadnja promjena: Anomen; sri 10 lip 2009 - 11:55; ukupno mijenjano 1 put.
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Wishevi nemogu više uzimat RFG karte? tj. EXILEDirane?
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svup91 je napisao/la:
Wishevi nemogu više uzimat RFG karte? tj. EXILEDirane?

NE mogu. Sad(((((((
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bar nisu sjebali mehaniku koju su koristili 7 godina svi.
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svup91 je napisao/la:
Wishevi nemogu više uzimat RFG karte? tj. EXILEDirane?

da! ali zato moš ostavit karte kod kuće i onda kad odigraš viš otrčat kući po kartu koju si zamislio i sjebat protivnika .... dakle princip je slijedeći

u deku imat viševe i sve ostale karte koje su totalno bezveze/beskorisne... recimo Grizzly Bear ... recimo napadaš s njim i protivnik ti EXILE-ira sa Path to EXILE-om ... ti lijepo nađeš basic land i staviš ga u igru i baš te boli briga što sa tim svojim zelenim višem nemoš otić po međeda kad je on beskoristan jer gle čuda on je i dalje u igri samo što je Eksajliran (ima eksere po sebi)
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iako mislim da neće biti nekakve pretjerane reakcije na ove promjene, za mene osobno, ovo znaći da je došlo vrijeme da se mtg deckboxovi obise o klin. nakon 7+ godina igranja, činjenica da se igra polako počinje pretvarati u yugioh me definitivno odbija. ostavit ću si neke deckove koji su mi dragi i igrat s ekipom po preM10 pravilima u majici "MTG sucks" i pivom u ruci u nekom podrumu ili garaži.

i ne svup, jedino JA mogu uvik srati. ti jednostavno nisi još dovoljno odrastao za to Razz.
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mama ti nije odrasla
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Baš je komično kako se Svup uvijek forsira da ostane poseban da zaspama i najbolje topike.
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mmm, it's gonna be LEGEN... wait for it... DARY!!!

btw, evo par mudrih...


1. Mulligans-
It worked this way before, it will still work now. Saves time, but
makes being on the play marginally better. Not that the new mulligan
rule made me want to play first any less. Nothing to see here, moving
along.

2. Terminology Changes
Doesn't do much for the professional image of the game, but that
doesn't really exist anyways. Clearing up the EOT functionality on
cards is definitely a good thing, changing the Wishes to not get RFG'ed
cards is slightly relevant but not terrible important. All in all, the
only one of these I think is positive is 2D (the EOT stuff) and the
others are pure neutral.

3. Mana Burn
Been discussed, changes some older cards, but given the change on
upkeep to draw floating I don't really see it being terrible. At the
least, its worth trying out to see how much it alters things while at
the same time removing messy rulings where someone overtaps or
"forgets" about their opponent floating mana with Heartbeat and then
someone lies to a judge and etc etc.

4. Tokens
Irrel, etc. There were some cool casual/semi-competitive decks revolving around this, but its more intuitive this way.

5. Combat
I'm convinced 100% of this change is a mistake. The whole damage on the
stack thing isn't even so bad compared to the line of blockers thing.
It took me multiple reads to understand what the hell was going on
there. If WotC could just Ctrl + Z this section, it would be nice.
Damage on the stack isn't so complex as the stupid choosing an order
thing.

6 + 7.
Fairly irrel, though not sure how an SBE is easier to explain then a trigger.
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Anomen je napisao/la:
Baš je komično kako se Svup uvijek forsira da ostane poseban da zaspama i najbolje topike.

baš komično da nisam pisao konstruktivno pa me neki retaj uvijek provocira.
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Hej,ljudi ja sam ovdje clan od danas i nista dobrog niste napisali ni vi ni ovi jenkiji mamicu imm! Znaci ne samo da ovi dualci nisu dualci vec painless painovi nego su mi jos totalno rasturili zoo i kao da to nije dovoljno JOS SU MI GAMAD JEDNA UNISTILI PET GODINA RADA NA MOM EVER EVOLVING PROJECTU TAK DA SVE OVE KARTE KOJE SAM SI SKUPIO ZA THE ROCK VISE NE VRIJEDE?! Ma sto posto ce mi sad netko rec da pernicious deed vise ne destroya stvari...ma ne kuzim dajte mi objasnite kak to wishevi vise ne rade? Pa ta exile zona je takoder van igre tj battlefielda zakaj wish nemre nac target? I kak cu ja sad cugnut s Lendvajom? Pocet cemo igrat kanastu mozda? P. S. Shupac,onaj Lendvaj kojeg citiras jel to Ivan,sto je sad u Bjelovaru igrao ferije u extendedu? Ako da,pozdravi ga!
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